Gunnar Fischer: The Anti-Pattern Bingo Team—When Success Is a Zero-Sum Game

“This was neither Scrum, nor a team. It was more like the anti-pattern bingo team.” – Gunnar Fischer

When Gunnar took his first job abroad, he walked straight into what he calls the “anti-pattern bingo team”—a supposed Scrum team that was neither Scrum nor a team. The company was in trouble, the team had a bad reputation and was used as a punching bag, the manager-of-manager treated them like a stepchild, and the new manager didn’t seem to know what he had signed up for. The team members themselves didn’t really want to work together.

The goals slipped. Decisions were made in back rooms, outside the official meetings. And underneath it all sat the most corrosive belief Gunnar names: that success is a zero-sum game—if you win, I lose. With that mindset, there is no team, just individuals defending turf.

One pattern stuck with him so clearly he gave it a name: sandcastle planning. The team would finish a Sprint planning, agree on a goal, and the manager would walk in right after the meeting and overturn the whole thing with his own priorities.

Over time, the team stopped putting effort into planning. Why build the castle if someone will trample it? Even worse, when an escalation finally surfaced, Gunnar—an immigrant—was told that as a German, he must be “very authoritarian.” A label, served up as analysis. That was the moment he knew the team would never have safe disagreements, never reach the right level of challenge, never recover.

In this segment, we talk about the corrosive effect of treating people as labels, and how the absence of an explicit reason for the team’s existence makes everything else collapse.

Self-reflection Question: Does your team have a clear, explicit reason for existing—or are you just a group that shares a technology, a building, or a reporting line?

Featured Book of the Week: Scrum Mastery (2nd Edition) by Geoff Watts

For Gunnar, the book that shaped him most as a Scrum Master is Scrum Mastery (2nd Edition) by Geoff Watts—what he calls “the noble knight of Scrum books.” He first read it just after a Scrum course and thought, “What should I even do with this kind of wisdom?”

Years later he came back to it and understood. A few years after that, he became modest about it: these are truths, but it’s about making them true—and watching for when they aren’t. The book is full of phrases like “a good Scrum Master is indispensable; a great Scrum Master is dispensable and wanted.” That last line captured it perfectly for him: success isn’t being unneeded, it’s being chosen.

As Gunnar puts it: “In times when everybody is challenged and people are making fun of agile practitioners, this brings back all of the ideals of what a Scrum Master is really about.” You can also listen to our previous episode with Geoff Watts on the podcast.

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About Gunnar Fischer

Gunnar FischerGunnar is the leader of the Chocolate Guild. Agile practitioner with a software developer background and a strong interest in people, intercultural contacts and the bigger picture. Gunnar’s purpose is to teach and to learn, to grow as a person and to support others who want the same.

You can link with Gunnar Fischer on LinkedIn.

You can also read Gunnar’s writing on his blog, Leader of the Chocolate Guild.

Junaid Shaikh: Why Teams Go Through The Motions of Agile Without Being Agile, And What To Do About It

On the topic of teams that self-destruct, Junaid paints a picture that many listeners will recognize. He picked up a team’s retrospective history and cumulative flow diagrams and found problems at every level: managers who declared “from tomorrow we’re going agile” without understanding what that meant, then started comparing velocity across teams. Product owners who took PO training but reverted to command-and-control project management. A previous Scrum Master doing what Junaid calls “zombie Scrum” — implementing the framework mechanically without understanding its purpose.

The pattern underneath it all: people enveloping their traditional mindset under an agile umbrella. The ceremonies happen, the daily standups run, but nobody is questioning why they’re doing any of it. As Vasco observes, this zombie pattern isn’t limited to Scrum — it happens with code reviews, architecture reviews, any process that gets adopted without critical thinking about its purpose.

Junaid’s insight: if you don’t understand the basics with the right mindset, every event feels like overhead. Teams complain about “too many meetings” because they’re running agile ceremonies on top of their old informal processes. “If you don’t get out of your previous shell, you cannot get into a new shell.”

Featured Book of the Week: The Culture Map by Erin Meyer.

Junaid’s book recommendation is The Culture Map by Erin Meyer. As a Scrum Master working at companies like Ericsson and ABB — organizations that are a “United Nations” of cultures — understanding cultural tendencies has been essential. But Junaid goes further: you can customize the Culture Map framework even within a team of people from the same country, using the parameters to map different personalities. It’s about how you use the tool, not just where people come from.

He also recommends Scrum Mastery: From Good to Great Servant Leadership by Geoff Watts for practical advice on the servant leadership role, and regularly visits Scrum Alliance and Scrum.org for real-world insights from the community.

Transform Your Agile Teams with Hard-Earned Lessons from Super-Experienced Scrum Masters

Do you wish you had decades of experience? Learn from the Best Scrum Masters In The World, Today! The Tips from the Trenches – Scrum Master edition audiobook includes hours of audio interviews with SM’s that have decades of experience: from Mike Cohn to Linda Rising, Christopher Avery, and many more. Super-experienced Scrum Masters share their hard-earned lessons with you. Learn those today, make your teams awesome!

About Junaid Shaikh

Junaid ShaikhJunaid Shaikh is an energetic Agile Coach with a natural flair for Agile and Scrum, shaped by recent experiences at software giants like Ericsson and hardware leaders ABB. In his work, he champions collaboration, curiosity, and continuous improvement. Beyond coaching, he brings the same passion to cricket, table tennis, carrom, and his newest sporting obsession — padel.

You can link with Junaid Shaikh on LinkedIn.

The Product and Service Story That Every Scrum Master Needs to Hear | Lai-Ling Su

“It was kind of at that moment that I realized, like, community was about providing people with the opportunities that they otherwise wouldn’t have had. And whilst you could technically execute your product or service well, the customer experience is fundamentally a deeply emotional one.” – Lai-Ling Su

Lai-Ling shares a powerful story from when she was just 11 years old, running front of house at her family’s restaurant inside an Australian workers’ club. When a popular band was booked to play on a Saturday night, the venue reached max capacity—and almost everyone wanted food. With no ticketed order system and only her memory to match orders to customers, chaos ensued.

One father approached her, yelling about how long his food was taking. At the end of the night, Lai-Ling mustered the courage that only an 11-year-old possesses and asked him point-blank why he had reacted so strongly. His answer floored her: he only got to see his son every other weekend, and this evening was supposed to create a cherished memory together. Instead, they were hangry most of the night.

This moment taught Lai-Ling that customer experience is fundamentally emotional—it’s not about the food, but about what the interaction means to the people we serve. For the next decade, she continuously inspected every aspect of their restaurant operations, always seeking to improve how they served customers while remaining commercially viable.

In this episode, we refer to the “Scrum Masters are the future CEO’s, and a podcast by the Lean Enterprise Institute” blog post by Vasco.

Self-reflection Question: When was the last time you paused to understand the deeper meaning behind a stakeholder’s frustration, rather than just addressing the surface-level complaint?

Transform Your Agile Teams with Hard-Earned Lessons from Super-Experienced Scrum Masters

Do you wish you had decades of experience? Learn from the Best Scrum Masters In The World, Today! The Tips from the Trenches – Scrum Master edition audiobook includes hours of audio interviews with SM’s that have decades of experience: from Mike Cohn to Linda Rising, Christopher Avery, and many more. Super-experienced Scrum Masters share their hard-earned lessons with you. Learn those today, make your teams awesome!

About Lai-Ling Su

Lai-Ling fixes the gap between operating model design and real-world delivery through her interim executive, consulting, capability building, and executive coaching work. She also equips product and transformation leaders with the capability everyone expects but no one teaches – how to navigate the people, politics, and performance expectations that come with their jobs.

You can link with Lai-Ling Su on LinkedIn.

Harri Tunturivuori: When Suggestions Sound Like Orders, The Cost of Micro-Management in Agile Teams

In this episode, Harri recounts a challenging experience he had while working with a team that had a new manager. The manager was promoted from within the team and was a high-performing team member, but lacked good leadership skills. He couldn’t let go of the technical skills and ended up micro-managing the team.

The manager would step in and give suggestions to the team members, but it came out as an order. He even wrote the solution in the user stories, which resulted in the team disengaging because the manager was bossing them.

Some team members quit their jobs, and others became demotivated. Harri felt helpless in the situation and eventually came up with tips to deal with it, including having a conversation with the manager, preparing for the conversation, and being understanding. The team’s feedback was collected, and facts were presented to the manager on how this behavior was affecting the team.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone dealing with anti-patterns in their team dynamics.

Featured Book of the Week: Scrum Mastery by Geoff Watts

Harri’s most influential book is Scrum Mastery by Geoff Watts, who has been a past guest on the podcast. The book offers many practical tips and advice for Scrum Masters, emphasizing the importance of being a servant leader. Harri found the book funny, which made it a pleasant read. He appreciated the tips provided in the book, which can help Scrum Masters go from being good to great. Geoff Watts is a well-known author in the field of Scrum and agile software development, and his book has been highly recommended by professionals in the industry. If you are a Scrum Master looking for practical advice to improve your leadership skills, Scrum Mastery is definitely worth checking out.

Transform Your Agile Teams with Hard-Earned Lessons from Super-Experienced Scrum Masters

Do you wish you had decades of experience? Learn from the Best Scrum Masters In The World, Today! The Tips from the Trenches – Scrum Master edition audiobook includes hours of audio interviews with SM’s that have decades of experience: from Mike Cohn to Linda Rising, Christopher Avery, and many more. Super-experienced Scrum Masters share their hard-earned lessons with you. Learn those today, make your teams awesome!

About Harri Tunturivuori

Harri is an experienced leader, Scrum Master, and Agile Coach who was introduced to the world of agile software development in 2010. Since then, Harri has had the pleasure of leading great agile teams in various forms.

Harri enjoys working in a fun environment where there is room for innovation, and Harri is driven by the challenge of growing a group of good people into a great team.

You can link with Harri Tunturivuori on LinkedIn.

BONUS: Geoff Watts on what makes a great Scrum Master, the key challenges to Scrum adoption and much more about Agile

There are quite a few books out there about the Scrum Master job. However, the classic that many refer to over and over again here on the podcast is Scrum Mastery by Geoff Watts.

In the description of the publisher writes: “Scrum coach Geoff Watts has identified patterns that separate a good Scrum Master from a great one”.

As a podcast for Scrum Masters, we wanted to have Geoff on, to share the key insights in the book, but also what he learned since the book was first published in 2013.

But, before we go into those new lessons learned, let’s quickly review some of the key insights from the book

The key insights from Scrum Mastery, the book

Read on for the detailed show notes and all the links…

Continue reading BONUS: Geoff Watts on what makes a great Scrum Master, the key challenges to Scrum adoption and much more about Agile

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