Zach Stone: Agile Beyond Tech, Facilitating Change Amid Strong Emotional Turmoil

In this episode, Zach discusses his experience initiating change within a 10,000-employee mass transit organization plagued by violence towards its staff. Initially met with skepticism, the consulting team employed active listening and dialogue facilitation, prioritizing fair conversation. The process involved uncovering needs, contextual understanding, and addressing assaults on employees. Frustration was initially high, but they introduced motivational interviewing, emphasizing that change is difficult and often involves conflict. They posed the question, “Does the pain of staying the same outweigh the pain of changing?” Acknowledging normal feelings like fear and anger, the team encouraged acknowledging resistance, highlighting the importance of being heard and seen throughout the challenging change journey.

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About Zach Stone

Zach has worked as a process facilitator for over 17 years, as a specialist in behavioral science. He co-founded a firm that uses techniques to rebuild war zones  for organizational dynamics. He has been an agilist for the past 7 years and was recently a speaker at the Global Scrum Conference. He lives in Santa Fe with his Wife and spends his time exploring canyons and trails.

You can link with Zach Stone on LinkedIn.

Cliff Hazel asks us to stay curious and never assume you know what others are thinking

Very often we are in situations where we must quickly act to fend off some conflict situation. The natural tendency is to “take charge” based on our observations and conclusions about other people’s intentions. But is that the right approach? Cliff talks about how he learned to stay curious and never assume he knew other people’s intentions. Great advice!
We also mention the book Managing Oneself by Peter Drucker.

About Cliff Hazel

Cliff Hazel scrum master toolbox podcastCliff Hazel is a coach at Spotify who is trying to learn about how to build effective teams, and how we can create the conditions for them to thrive. His main interests are: Complexity and Systems, Visualisation and Information Radiators, Curiosity and Continuous Learning
You can link with Cliff Hazel on LinkedIn, connect with Cliff Hazel on Twitter and catch him in some conference near you.

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