AI is often framed as a technology rollout, but Melissa Reeve makes a different case: organizations that already know how to learn, adapt, and improve are better prepared for AI. In this BONUS episode, we connect Lean, Agile, DevOps, and AI-native work, and explore why Scrum Masters may be closer to the center of AI adoption than they think.
From Toyota Production System to AI-Native Work
“I didn’t really have words for what would later be my career. I didn’t know about systems thinking. I didn’t know about this thing called Agile.”
Melissa traces the through-line from studying the Toyota Production System in Tokyo, to early Agile marketing, to developing intellectual property at Scaled Agile, and finally to AI. Her point is that Lean, Agile, and AI-native work are not separate conversations. They all depend on sensing what is happening, shortening feedback loops, learning from reality, and improving the system instead of only optimizing individual tasks.
Katie Anderson, author of Learning to Lead, Leading to Learn, joins us to explore the real engine behind Toyota’s legendary success — and it’s not what most people think. Drawing from her years living in Japan and her close relationship with 40-year Toyota veteran Isao Yoshino, Katie reveals why tools alone will never create lasting transformation. We explore the Doer Trap, the Telling Habit, and why hansei (deep reflection) is the most productive practice leaders keep skipping.
The Only Secret to Toyota
“The only secret to Toyota is its attitude towards learning. We don’t even notice, and we take it for granted.”
Katie moved to Japan over 11 years ago as a continuous improvement practitioner and got to know Isao Yoshino, a Toyota leader with 40 years of experience. After repeatedly asking him what made Toyota so successful, he finally offered an almost offhand answer: “The only secret to Toyota is its attitude towards learning.” The deeper insight? Even inside Toyota, they barely noticed it — it was so embedded in how they worked that they took it for granted. Katie explains that most organizations copy the visible tools — the kanban boards, the value streams, the process maps — but miss the invisible layer underneath: people development.
Without that foundation of learning, tools lead to project-based improvements that never sustain. The secret sauce is the quality of how organizations develop people to learn, contribute, problem-solve, and innovate. That system of people development underlies the system of process improvement, and without it, organizations stay stuck in what Katie calls “constant whack-a-mole” — fixing the same problems year after year.
Imagine a company that spends a year building an iPad app—and on launch day the product owner says: “Now it’ll be interesting to see if anyone uses it.” In this episode, Marcus Hammarberg and Tore Fjaertoft share why organizations keep installing frameworks like software, why it still doesn’t work, and what they’ve learned from places like Spotify about treating your way of working as a product in itself.
When Copying Without Adopting Becomes the Norm
“It becomes more about following whatever this framework tells you to do, rather than to understand what the problem you’re trying to solve is all about.”
Marcus and Tore met at a consultancy in Malmö and within 15 minutes realized they shared the same frustrations—despite coming from opposite directions. Marcus comes from the ground up as a software developer and coach, while Tore works top-down with leadership teams on product organization design. Both had worked at Spotify and both had seen organizations copy famous frameworks and models without adopting the underlying mindset. The telltale sign, as Tore describes it, is when people focus on compliance rather than being pragmatic—following the manual without questioning whether the way they’re working is actually serving the organization. As Marcus frames it through Cynefin, product development lives in a domain where best practices don’t even exist—only emergent practices that you discover by trying things out.
In this episode, Junaid shares a story from his early days as a Scrum Master when enthusiasm got ahead of experience. Fresh from a CSM certification and full of ideas, he walked into teams and started proposing solutions — “No, this is not how you should do it.” It felt obvious. It wasn’t.
The wake-up call came when he proposed working agreements to a team that had been collaborating well for two years. The pushback was immediate: “Why do we need this?” He realized he was bringing a tool he’d seen elsewhere without first understanding whether the team actually had the problem that tool was meant to solve.
This led to a key shift in his approach: stop assuming. Instead of going in with answers, Junaid started creating small tiger teams with the affected people, facilitating sessions where they owned the solution. The result? Much higher acceptance and genuine continuous improvement.
These days, Junaid tests his ideas before bringing them to the full team. He connects with individual team members first — his “closer allies” — to validate whether his analysis matches reality. Only when a few people confirm “yes, this is a real problem” does he bring the proposal to the group.
As Vasco puts it: not all tools are appropriate at all times for all people. The same working agreements that were wrong for one team at one moment might be exactly right for a different team, or the same team at a different moment.
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About Junaid Shaikh
Junaid Shaikh is an energetic Agile Coach with a natural flair for Agile and Scrum, shaped by recent experiences at software giants like Ericsson and hardware leaders ABB. In his work, he champions collaboration, curiosity, and continuous improvement. Beyond coaching, he brings the same passion to cricket, table tennis, carrom, and his newest sporting obsession — padel.
“Success is about feedback from coaching clients.” – Scott Smith
Scott is tackling one of the most challenging aspects of organizational transformation: turning annual survey results into continuous improvement. Working with a domain of about 30 people, Scott is exploring how to create a coaching service that doesn’t just react to once-a-year data but actively drives ongoing growth. The typical pattern in many organizations is familiar—conduct an annual survey, review the scores, maybe have a few discussions, and then wait another year. Scott is experimenting with a different approach.
He’s setting up a coaching service that focuses on real-time feedback from the people being coached, making improvement a living practice rather than an annual event. The strategy starts with a pilot, testing the concept before scaling across the entire domain. Scott’s measure of success is pragmatic and human-centered: feedback from coaching clients. Not abstract metrics or theoretical frameworks, but whether the people receiving coaching find value in what’s being offered.
This approach reflects a fundamental principle of Agile coaching—start small, experiment, gather feedback, and iterate based on what actually works for the people involved. Scott is building improvement infrastructure that puts continuous learning at the center, transforming how organizations think about growth from an annual checkbox into an ongoing conversation.
Self-reflection Question: If you were to implement a coaching service in your organization, how would you measure its success beyond traditional survey scores?
Transform Your Agile Teams with Hard-Earned Lessons from Super-Experienced Scrum Masters
Do you wish you had decades of experience? Learn from the Best Scrum Masters In The World, Today!The Tips from the Trenches – Scrum Master edition audiobook includes hours of audio interviews with SM’s that have decades of experience: from Mike Cohn to Linda Rising, Christopher Avery, and many more. Super-experienced Scrum Masters share their hard-earned lessons with you. Learn those today, make your teams awesome!
About Scott Smith
Scott Smith is a 53-year-old professional based in Perth, Australia. He balances a successful career with a strong focus on health and fitness, currently preparing for bodybuilding competitions in 2026. With a background in leadership and coaching, Scott values growth, discipline, and staying relevant in a rapidly changing world.
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