AI is usually sold as a productivity tool, but Ari-Pekka Skarp argues that the real story is what it does to the conversations, skills, and purpose that hold teams together. In this BONUS episode, Ari-Pekka explores why organizations are rushing to use AI “as efficiently as possible” without defining what efficiency means, and what that rush is REALLY costing us.
Organizations Are Conversations
“Organizations are actually conversations, conversational patterns between people.”
Ari-Pekka’s path from software engineering in 1999 to psychology, psychotherapy, and change leadership was driven by one thread: how the mind works, both individually and socially. Meeting Ralph Stacey, Esko Kilpi, and Douglas Griffin at Nokia changed how he saw organizations. Instead of a machine made of parts, an organization is a living pattern of conversations — people responding to each other’s gestures, again and again. George Mead added the idea that the human mind itself is not individual but relational. This matters for AI because a large language model is a new kind of player in those conversations, not just a tool that moves data between them.
Software projects rarely fail because no one noticed the problem. More often, people see the missing database, the wrong assumptions, the broken process, or the weak product ownership, but the organization has trained them to stay quiet. In this BONUS episode, Mark Stringer, author of Delivering the Impossible, helps us understand how Scrum Masters can make reality visible again.
The Problem Of Intention In Software Projects
“You’ve got here a problem of intention, and you can’t fix that by coming up with new, more magical marks on the page.”
Mark starts with a story from the mid-1990s, before Agile was a common word in software teams. In a software development course, he heard the familiar promise: if only requirements could be captured with the right notation, the project would go correctly. His reaction was different. Software is not only a problem of documentation or process, it is a problem of translating intent into reality. That gap between marks on a page and what people actually need is where many projects begin to drift.
Point Of View Can Make Smart People Miss Reality
“If we see things in the wrong way, then point of view can take 80 IQ points off us.”
Mark uses Alan Kay’s idea that point of view is worth 80 IQ points to explain why good people can still make poor project decisions. A methodology can help, but only if it helps the team see what is actually happening. When the model becomes more important than reality, teams start defending the plan instead of learning from the system they are trying to change. Scrum Masters can help by asking what the current point of view hides, not only what it explains.
The Swamp: Why Project Complexity Is Not On The Diagram
“The fastest way between two points in a real organization is not necessarily a straight line.”
In one banking project, Mark found two realities that had not survived the diagrams. First, a transaction database shown on every architecture diagram did not exist. Second, after six months of requirements work and several million pounds spent, a simple show and tell revealed that the design was organized around accounts when stakeholders needed it organized around people. The point was not that the team had failed to write enough requirements. The point was that the real environment was a swamp of legacy systems, power shifts, competing groups, regulations, users, and assumptions. You only discover that swamp by starting, showing real work, and letting stakeholders react.
Agreed Activity: When The Rituals Keep Going But The Project Is Already Lost
“Everybody knows why the project’s failing. It’s not a mystery at all.”
Mark calls one common failure mode “agreed activity.” The team keeps attending standups, planning meetings, status reviews, and retrospectives, even when people privately know the project is not going anywhere. Often they have tried to raise the real issue before and were punished for it. After that, silence becomes rational. The organization keeps reporting activity, expenditure, and compliance with the process, while the real blockers stay untouched. For Scrum Masters, this is a warning: ceremonies are useful only when they let reality enter the conversation.
Product Ownership, Bad News, And The Message Leaders Send
“The message that the development team hears is: don’t rock the boat, just keep taking the money.”
The Product Owner role can help break agreed activity, but only if the person has enough authority to make decisions and enough proximity to the team to learn. Mark describes two common anti-patterns: appointing someone junior who can be pushed around, or appointing someone so senior they have no time for the work. Worse, when someone points out a fundamental problem and gets metaphorically shot, the team learns the real rule: stay quiet. Leaders may think they are asking for positivity or commitment, but the team hears permission to cut corners, hide bad news, and treat spending as progress.
Make Scrum A Hypothesis Testing Framework Again
“That kind of unexpected feedback, that’s the hope. That’s the machine working.”
Mark’s practical advice is to keep the cadence, but make the meetings real. A show and tell should expose assumptions. A retrospective should make uncomfortable feedback usable. Scrum works best when it is treated as an empirical, hypothesis-testing framework, not a list of meetings to implement. Mark also points to user research as a way to extend learning back into the environment. Teams cannot guess how users will react, which buttons they will press, what they will ignore, or what market and organizational changes are shaping the work. They have to test, learn, and adjust.
About Mark Stringer
Mark Stringer is the author of Delivering the Impossible, a 2026 Apress book on better ways of seeing software project management. He has spent 30 years in software delivery as a developer, application researcher, and project manager, working with IBM, Xerox, and Cambridge University.
Bernie addresses the constant challenge of mid-sprint changes by asking the crucial question: “what do you want to trade in for that new request?” His approach centers on recognizing that everyone is trying to do their best with what they have, using techniques from NLP and the three coaching positions to help people see the whole system. Bernie emphasizes rapport building as a key skill for Scrum Masters and warns against the anti-pattern of becoming judgmental when challenges arise. He advocates for moving from a plan-and-predict mentality to sense-and-respond thinking, highlighting the importance of conducting retrospectives once challenges are solved. Bernie’s coaching philosophy revolves around helping people step into the “third position” – a dissociated perspective that enables better problem-solving and systems thinking.
Self-reflection Question: How effectively are you helping your teams and stakeholders see the whole system when challenges arise, rather than just focusing on individual pain points?
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About Bernie Maloney
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In this BONUS episode, we dive deep into the evolving landscape of Agile leadership with Ari-Pekka Skarp, an experienced Agile Coach, Psychotherapist, and Organizational Psychologist. Drawing from his unique blend of expertise, Ari-Pekka shares his lessons learned on how leadership has transformed over the past decades and what the future holds for Agile organizations.
The Evolution of Agile and Social Complexity
“We replaced authority with collaboration, this was revolutionary.”
The journey of Agile adoption over the past 16 years has been marked by two significant developments: technological advancement and increasing social complexity. Ari-Pekka reflects on how Scrum introduced a revolutionary “shared” aspect of collaborative work, fundamentally changing how hierarchies are established in modern organizations. This shift represents a departure from traditional command-and-control structures towards more collaborative approaches.
The Therapeutic Turn in Leadership
“Nowadays we are almost talking about the leaders as some sort of therapist.”
Robert discusses how top-down, project managed Agile transformations often fail to account for the complexity of change. By focusing on flexibility, inspect/adapt cycles, and bringing comfort to the change process, Scrum Masters can guide organizations away from one-size-fits-all solutions and toward the sustainable improvement that is the hallmark of Agile.
Self-reflection Question: How can you bring comfort to the change process in your organization?
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Mark Stringer is the author of Delivering the Impossible, a 2026 Apress book on better ways of seeing software project management. He has spent 30 years in software delivery as a developer, application researcher, and project manager, working with IBM, Xerox, and Cambridge University.
Do you wish you had decades of experience? Learn from the Best Scrum Masters In The World, Today! 
Bernie Maloney has helped teams grow businesses to beyond $4B / year, delivering products from consumer electronics to network infrastructure to services & payments. He helps clients achieve performance breakthroughs with their teams, organizations and themselves, and believes that leads both to outrageous effectiveness, and a whole lot more fun.
Robert has been working in IT for over 25 years, with the last decade spent deeply engaged in “messy” real-world Agile transformations. He documents his experiences in the Agile Drill Sergeant webcomic.