Jurgen Appelo: Disruptive change, gradual change, and what scaling frameworks are missing

This week Jurgen is with us to talk about his latest project: unFIX.work. Jurgen starts this episode by sharing a little known fact about his name, and his personality. We then discuss the role of “change” in Agile adoption. We discuss different types of change (Kaizen, Kaikaku) and why scaling frameworks should take into account both types. 

In this episode, we talk about Fitness Landscape, Holacracy, Systems Thinking and refer to the book The Systems Bible: The Beginner’s Guide to Systems Large and Small by John Gall.

About Jurgen Appelo

Jurgen Appelo is an entrepreneur, an author, and keynote speaker who applies Agile to his life and his businesses. He’s also prolific writer on all topics business and agile. He wrote Management 3.0, How to Change the World, Managing for Happiness and his latest book about entrepreneurship and product development: Startup, Scale up, Screw up.

You can link with Jurgen Appelo on LinkedIn and connect with Jurgen Appelo on Twitter.

BONUS: Platform teams, how structural changes improve outcomes in Agile organizations, with Jeff Campbell and Simone Sciarrati 

Jeff is the author of Actionable Agile tools (available on Amazon, and direct from the author at bit.ly/aatbook).


In this episode, we discuss how the way we organize teams can impact the effectiveness of an organization. Jeff and Simone share the journey of a team, how it changed, and how that team structure change affected not only the team itself but also the organization around them. 

Simone shares that, at Meltwater, they try to focus on “empowered product teams”, and how that differs from most team setups. 

We refer to the book Inspired by Marty Cagan, and how that book influenced their view on how to organize and structure product development teams. 

The first problem they tackled was the Product Owner being an outsider to the team. 

Making the Product Owner, a first-order citizen in an Agile team

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